The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool|new_window=true], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus|new_window=true] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot with no permanent repair.[br]
***Before I say this, know how hurt I feel having to say it... I wanted more too:*** ***The problem with the 17" 2011 is you're putting lipstick on a pig that has an incurable cancer in the form of the AMD GPU. This hurts me as much as you think it does for me to say... I WISH I didn't have to so I can have another OG 17" Unibody with the 2011 motherboard: Once the GPU dies, game over; you have to choose between a permanent disable (and LOSE the 2nd display), or putting lipstick on the problem by patching the NVRAM. Once the GPU acts up, the computer is at a dead end without turning it into a 6.5lb 13" with a quad-core chip vs dual core, and no more 2nd display option :`-(.***
***Like everyone, I wanted a better solution like everyone who knows how special the OG 17" was I could put on the computer to have one again, but we got screwed over. I wanted one with a special spec (Matte LCD) again (and was ready to pay the matte premium) so much that I almost bought one used a few years ago to "get even" with my dad for screwing me over with a POS eBay charger pushed via ultimatum (because he only thinks with his wallet, not logic) that killed the MLB on my 2009 in 2013 and later took no responsibility in my teens (which is normal with him on stuff like this). The AMD GPU cancer ruined my last chance because 2009/2010 models simply hit a support brick wall. If we got a permanent fix that wasn't crippling, I'd have paid to have the machine modified to not die and get two!***
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''While the 17" is forever long in the rearview mirror (and mine, with a longstanding grudge I continue to hold against my dad for being a difficult cheapskate) we got our "17" MBP" back: It's called the M series 16" :-).'' I tried one when they came out and coming from the 17" 2009-2011 all I have to say is when I got to try one for myself, there was quite a bit of de-ja-vu. The first time didn't stick out as much, but when I benchmarked it against the 17" I immediately knew they did it and undid the problem years (2016-2020) while bringing back the OG 17" Unibody. It's not quite the same (lack of USB-A, upgrades are dead, larger trackpad and tou end to carry a USB-C hub or adapters without native cables), but they got it right this time around. Essentially I already knew which size I wanted to replace my aging 2015 15" Retina.[br]
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''While the 17" is forever long in the rearview mirror (and mine, with a longstanding grudge I continue to hold against my dad for being a difficult cheapskate) we got our "17" MBP" back: It's called the M series 16" :-).'' I tried one when they came out and coming from the 17" 2009-2011 all I have to say is when I got to try one for myself, there was quite a bit of de-ja-vu. The first time didn't stick out as much, but when I benchmarked it against the 17" I immediately knew they did it and undid the problem years (2016-2020) while bringing back the OG 17" Unibody. It's not quite the same (lack of USB-A, upgrades are dead, larger trackpad and you end to carry a USB-C hub or adapters without native cables), but they got it right this time around. Essentially I already knew which size I wanted to replace my aging 2015 15" Retina.[br]
For those of us who had the privilege of using the retired 17" from 2009-2011, it's essentially every bit as good as the old machines (without a cancerous GPU).
As far as I see it Apple didn't directly say it, but the M series 16" is an admission on MULTIPLE fronts. The big one being the adapter ridden port only design was a mistake and undid that mess. That's in addition to killing the 17" in 2012 was a mistake, then putting bad GPUs in them and then ruining the last chance to have a modern one that will be well supported. The price? 7 years of bad computers and piles of 2015 Retinas dropping dead which were run to the ground just to hold us over for so long. ***''The 2019 16" was not a replacement, it was an appeasement for people who wanted the screen and not a proper replacement. It's 1" smaller than the old machines, but that's fine with me given how many wins we took with the M 16". The machine IS a bit heavy and hard to travel with (without the weight issue) but that was known to anyone who got one.''***
I looked at them; the 14" is for the 15" users, and the 16" is for those of us who had the 17" MBP (and 15" owners aware of what they are buying and the weight penalty) and want to get our old machines back without the fatal GPU problem (and burden of rapidly dwindling Intel Mac support). The machines are so similar to the old 17" with how many stark similarities came back to the point it's undeniable (including the infamous travel limitations of the 17"). The only real "compromise" that can be a bit much at first is the notch. I would have been fine with a lesser mic and webcam to use all 16.5" of screen space, but Apple masks it so well it's a moot issue.[br]
As far as blind buyers being caught off guard? Nah, NOT concerned; the screen is such a brute it puts people off early on OR they look at one and get put off by the bulk. You either know, or you tried it and accept the tradeoff for the screen size. I even asked a few people if they'd buy it; almost always a resounding no unless they like large laptops.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
-
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point. ***I hate saying it too. It's painful and infuriating :-(. They expire with the death of the GPU unless you disable it AND GIVE UP THE OPTION TO RUN 2 DISPLAYS.***
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool|new_window=true], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus|new_window=true] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot with no permanent repair.[br]
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***Before I say this, know how hurt I feel having to say it... I wanted more too:*** ***The problem with the 17" 2011 is you're putting lipstick on a pig that has an incurable cancer in the form of the AMD GPU. This hurts me as much as you think it does for me to say... I WISH I didn't have to so I can have another OG 17" Unibody with the 2011 motherboard: Once the GPU dies, game over; you have to choose between a permanent disable (and LOSE the 2nd display), or putting lipstick on the problem by patching the NVRAM. Once the GPU acts up, the computer is at a dead end without turning it into a 6.5lb 13" with a quad-core chip vs dual core, and no more 2nd display option :`-(.***
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Saying this absolutely hurts because I wanted one again when I went shopping to get the machine back I lost when my dad forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me with an ultimatum as a teenager and only thought with his wallet, not my concerns... As well as not making me whole,again, using the wallet as a reason. After I had the cash to buy one, I looked into them with one major non-negotiable requirement: No glossy panel; matte is required... Then the GPU issues strike such that it's not something I can ignore due to the high risk of failure :-(.
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***Like everyone, I wanted a better solution like everyone who knows how special the OG 17" was I could put on the computer to have one again, but we got screwed over. I wanted one with a special spec (Matte LCD) again (and was ready to pay the matte premium) so much that I almost bought one used a few years ago to "get even" with my dad for screwing me over with a POS eBay charger pushed via ultimatum (because he only thinks with his wallet, not logic) that killed the MLB on my 2009 in 2013 and later took no responsibility in my teens (which is normal with him on stuff like this). The AMD GPU cancer ruined my last chance because 2009/2010 models simply hit a support brick wall. If we got a permanent fix that wasn't crippling, I'd have paid to have the machine modified to not die and get two!***
-
While the 17" is forever long in the rearview mirror (and mine, with a longstanding grudge against my dad for being a difficult cheapskate) we got our "17" MBP" back: It's called the M series 16" :-). I tried one when they came out and all I have to say is... there was quite a bit of de-ja-vu both times I tried one to see if I was going to be able to accept it as a replacement for the 17". It's not quite the same in a few ways (upgradeability is the big one, and the trackpad is a lot larger, carry at least one or two USB-C adapters or hold your peace) but other than those two things it's every bit the same. For those of us who had the privilege of using an old school (2006-2008/2009-2011) 17", these things are every bit as good as the 17". Needless to say, I accepted it as a replacement for the machine we lost in 2012 (and now can't trust to not die due to fatal GPU problems). Needless to say, I knew I was going to buy one to replace my dual GPU 2015 Retina when I had the chance after round 2. I own one now and it's every bit as good as the 17" was and that was apparent within my first 5 minutes of a non demo unit first impressions.
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''While the 17" is forever long in the rearview mirror (and mine, with a longstanding grudge I continue to hold against my dad for being a difficult cheapskate) we got our "17" MBP" back: It's called the M series 16" :-).'' I tried one when they came out and coming from the 17" 2009-2011 all I have to say is when I got to try one for myself, there was quite a bit of de-ja-vu. The first time didn't stick out as much, but when I benchmarked it against the 17" I immediately knew they did it and undid the problem years (2016-2020) while bringing back the OG 17" Unibody. It's not quite the same (lack of USB-A, upgrades are dead, larger trackpad and tou end to carry a USB-C hub or adapters without native cables), but they got it right this time around. Essentially I already knew which size I wanted to replace my aging 2015 15" Retina.[br]
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For those of us who had the privilege of using the retired 17" from 2009-2011, it's essentially every bit as good as the old machines (without a cancerous GPU).
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As far as I see it Apple didn't directly say it, but the M series 16" is an admission they made a mistake discontinuing it in 2012, removing the ports, waiting 7 years to undo the wrongs of dropping the 17" with the 16"2019 AND putting bad keyboards on the 16" 2019, and then undoing all of that with the 2021 M1 16". They came out and admitted they F'ed up several times over and the persistent refusal to upgrade (andkeep the old Mac going) with the years of pushback over the screen size was justified without saying it.***The best part of all of this? Coming from someone who remembers the OG 17" from 2006-2008 AND the Unibody 17", the 17" is back with 1" of screen loss if you can put up with the psychological weight (it's 4.7-4.8lbs in reality vs the 6.5lbs of the A1297 17", but the screen makes it seem heavier then it is) and poor travelability you have to put up with to have one. The loss of USB-A necessitates you keep 2 or so adapters in your bag, but I'm fine with that at this point since it's become less necessary.***
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As far as I see it Apple didn't directly say it, but the M series 16" is an admission on MULTIPLE fronts. The big one being the adapter ridden port only design was a mistake and undid that mess. That's in addition to killing the 17" in 2012 was a mistake, then putting bad GPUs in them and then ruining the last chance to have a modern one that will be well supported. The price? 7 years of bad computers and piles of 2015 Retinas dropping dead which were run to the ground just to hold us over for so long. ***''The 2019 16" was not a replacement, it was an appeasement for people who wanted the screen and not a proper replacement. It's 1" smaller than the old machines, but that's fine with me given how many wins we took with the M 16". The machine IS a bit heavy and hard to travel with (without the weight issue) but that was known to anyone who got one.''***
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I looked at them; the 14" is for the 15" users, and the 16" is for those of us who had the 17" MBP (and 15" owners aware of what they are buying and the weight penalty) and want to get our old machines back without the fatal GPU problem (and burden of Intel support going down the toilet). It's just so similar to the old 17" machines with how many stark similarities they brought back it's undeniable (yes, that includes the infamous travel issues the 17" was also known for). The only real "compromise" that can be a bit much at first is the notch. I would have been fine with a lesser mic and webcam to use all 16.5" of that screen without a notch, but Apple masks it so well it's a neutral issue with how many times we won with what we got back after 10 years (and getting rid of Jony Ive).[br]
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I looked at them; the 14" is for the 15" users, and the 16" is for those of us who had the 17" MBP (and 15" owners aware of what they are buying and the weight penalty) and want to get our old machines back without the fatal GPU problem (and burden of rapidly dwindling Intel Mac support). The machines are so similar to the old 17" with how many stark similarities came back to the point it's undeniable (including the infamous travel limitations of the 17"). The only real "compromise" that can be a bit much at first is the notch. I would have been fine with a lesser mic and webcam to use all 16.5" of screen space, but Apple masks it so well it's a moot issue.[br]
As far as blind buyers being caught off guard? Nah, NOT concerned; the screen is such a brute it puts people off early on OR they look at one and get put off by the bulk. You either know, or you tried it and accept the tradeoff for the screen size. I even asked a few people if they'd buy it; almost always a resounding no unless they like large laptops.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point. ***I hate saying it too. It's painful and infuriating :-(. They expire with the death of the GPU unless you disable it AND GIVE UP THE OPTION TO RUN 2 DISPLAYS.***
Saying this absolutely hurts because I wanted one again when I went shopping to get the machine back I lost when my dad forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me with an ultimatum as a teenager and only thought with his wallet, not my concerns... As well as not making me whole, again, using the wallet as a reason. After I had the cash to buy one, I looked into them with one major non-negotiable requirement: No glossy panel; matte is required... Then the GPU issues strike such that it's not something I can ignore due to the high risk of failure :-(.
-
While the 17" is forever long in the rearview mirror (and mine, with a longstanding grudge against my dad for being a difficult cheapskate) we got our "17" MBP" back: It's called the M series 16" :-). I tried one when they came out and all I have to say is... there was quite a bit of de-ja-vu both times I tried one to see if I was going to be able to accept it as a replacement for the 17". It's not quite the same in a few ways (upgradeability is the big one, and the trackpad is a lot larger, carry at least one or two USB-C adapters or hold your peace) but other than those two things it's every bit the same. For those of us who had the privilege of using an old school (2006-2008/2009-2011) 17", these things are every bit as good as the 17". Needless to say, I accepted it as a replacement for the machine we lost in 2012 (and now can't trust to not die due to fatal GPU problems). Needless to say, I knew I was going to buy one to replace my dual GPU 2015 Retina when I had the chance after round 2.
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While the 17" is forever long in the rearview mirror (and mine, with a longstanding grudge against my dad for being a difficult cheapskate) we got our "17" MBP" back: It's called the M series 16" :-). I tried one when they came out and all I have to say is... there was quite a bit of de-ja-vu both times I tried one to see if I was going to be able to accept it as a replacement for the 17". It's not quite the same in a few ways (upgradeability is the big one, and the trackpad is a lot larger, carry at least one or two USB-C adapters or hold your peace) but other than those two things it's every bit the same. For those of us who had the privilege of using an old school (2006-2008/2009-2011) 17", these things are every bit as good as the 17". Needless to say, I accepted it as a replacement for the machine we lost in 2012 (and now can't trust to not die due to fatal GPU problems). Needless to say, I knew I was going to buy one to replace my dual GPU 2015 Retina when I had the chance after round 2. I own one now and it's every bit as good as the 17" was and that was apparent within my first 5 minutes of a non demo unit first impressions.
As far as I see it Apple didn't directly say it, but the M series 16" is an admission they made a mistake discontinuing it in 2012, removing the ports, waiting 7 years to undo the wrongs of dropping the 17" with the 16" 2019 AND putting bad keyboards on the 16" 2019, and then undoing all of that with the 2021 M1 16". They came out and admitted they F'ed up several times over and the persistent refusal to upgrade (and keep the old Mac going) with the years of pushback over the screen size was justified without saying it. ***The best part of all of this? Coming from someone who remembers the OG 17" from 2006-2008 AND the Unibody 17", the 17" is back with 1" of screen loss if you can put up with the psychological weight (it's 4.7-4.8lbs in reality vs the 6.5lbs of the A1297 17", but the screen makes it seem heavier then it is) and poor travelability you have to put up with to have one. The loss of USB-A necessitates you keep 2 or so adapters in your bag, but I'm fine with that at this point since it's become less necessary.***
I looked at them; the 14" is for the 15" users, and the 16" is for those of us who had the 17" MBP (and 15" owners aware of what they are buying and the weight penalty) and want to get our old machines back without the fatal GPU problem (and burden of Intel support going down the toilet). It's just so similar to the old 17" machines with how many stark similarities they brought back it's undeniable (yes, that includes the infamous travel issues the 17" was also known for). The only real "compromise" that can be a bit much at first is the notch. I would have been fine with a lesser mic and webcam to use all 16.5" of that screen without a notch, but Apple masks it so well it's a neutral issue with how many times we won with what we got back after 10 years (and getting rid of Jony Ive).[br]
As far as blind buyers being caught off guard? Nah, NOT concerned; the screen is such a brute it puts people off early on OR they look at one and get put off by the bulk. You either know, or you tried it and accept the tradeoff for the screen size. I even asked a few people if they'd buy it; almost always a resounding no unless they like large laptops.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point. ***I hate saying it too. It's painful and infuriating :-(. They expire with the death of the GPU unless you disable it AND GIVE UP THE OPTION TO RUN 2 DISPLAYS.***
Saying this absolutely hurts because I wanted one again when I went shopping to get the machine back I lost when my dad forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me with an ultimatum as a teenager and only thought with his wallet, not my concerns... As well as not making me whole, again, using the wallet as a reason. After I had the cash to buy one, I looked into them with one major non-negotiable requirement: No glossy panel; matte is required... Then the GPU issues strike such that it's not something I can ignore due to the high risk of failure :-(.
-
While the 17" long in the rearview mirror (and a longstanding grudge against my dad for being a cheapskate, while treating me like crap) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me when I got some time with one. It's both a welcome return, but also a total de-ja-vu for those of us who had the privilege to use the 17" MBP, like the ones we lost in 2012 when they discontinued it and lost our chance to have it back when the GPU issue became too big to ignore. Apple didn't directly say it, but that thing is their admission they F'd up royally, twice over. The screen is admitting killing the 17" was a bad move and the return to ports came after getting rid of Jony Ive and nobody wanted them due to the DongleGate design. Nobody misses the 2016-2020 dumpster fire era I know of. ***The best part? It's every bit as good as the Unibody 17" like yours was, without a problematic GPU waiting to die :-). We did lose USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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While the 17" is forever long in the rearview mirror (and mine, with a longstanding grudge against my dad for being a difficult cheapskate) we got our "17" MBP" back: It's called the M series 16" :-). I tried one when they came out and all I have to say is... there was quite a bit of de-ja-vu both times I tried one to see if I was going to be able to accept it as a replacement for the 17". It's not quite the same in a few ways (upgradeability is the big one, and the trackpad is a lot larger, carry at least one or two USB-C adapters or hold your peace) but other than those two things it's every bit the same. For those of us who had the privilege of using an old school (2006-2008/2009-2011) 17", these things are every bit as good as the 17". Needless to say, I accepted it as a replacement for the machine we lost in 2012 (and now can't trust to not die due to fatal GPU problems). Needless to say, I knew I was going to buy one to replace my dual GPU 2015 Retina when I had the chance after round 2.
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I looked at them; the 14" is for the 15" users, and the 16" is for those of us who wanted the 17" MBP back since the 16" comes with a weight penalty to get the screen alone. The 17" REPLACES the 17" for those of us who are okay with the weight penalty to have the massive screen back (the 16" is 4.7/4.8lbs; the weight variance is the heatsinking between Pro and Max; the 17" A1297 was 6.5lbs). The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notch-less screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things we got back on the new 16". It just took 10 years of resistance and booting Ive to get it. I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly; the panel size IS your warning about the weight and bulk. I asked a few people if they'd buy it and they said no if they didn't like large machines.
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As far as I see it Apple didn't directly say it, but the M series 16" is an admission they made a mistake discontinuing it in 2012, removing the ports, waiting 7 years to undo the wrongs of dropping the 17" with the 16" 2019 AND putting bad keyboards on the 16" 2019, and then undoing all of that with the 2021 M1 16". They came out and admitted they F'ed up several times over and the persistent refusal to upgrade (and keep the old Mac going) with the years of pushback over the screen size was justified without saying it. ***The best part of all of this? Coming from someone who remembers the OG 17" from 2006-2008 AND the Unibody 17", the 17" is back with 1" of screen loss if you can put up with the psychological weight (it's 4.7-4.8lbs in reality vs the 6.5lbs of the A1297 17", but the screen makes it seem heavier then it is) and poor travelability you have to put up with to have one. The loss of USB-A necessitates you keep 2 or so adapters in your bag, but I'm fine with that at this point since it's become less necessary.***
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I looked at them; the 14" is for the 15" users, and the 16" is for those of us who had the 17" MBP (and 15" owners aware of what they are buying and the weight penalty) and want to get our old machines back without the fatal GPU problem (and burden of Intel support going down the toilet). It's just so similar to the old 17" machines with how many stark similarities they brought back it's undeniable (yes, that includes the infamous travel issues the 17" was also known for). The only real "compromise" that can be a bit much at first is the notch. I would have been fine with a lesser mic and webcam to use all 16.5" of that screen without a notch, but Apple masks it so well it's a neutral issue with how many times we won with what we got back after 10 years (and getting rid of Jony Ive).[br]
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As far as blind buyers being caught off guard? Nah, NOT concerned; the screen is such a brute it puts people off early on OR they look at one and get put off by the bulk. You either know, or you tried it and accept the tradeoff for the screen size. I even asked a few people if they'd buy it; almost always a resounding no unless they like large laptops.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point. ***I hate saying it too. It's painful and infuriating :-(. They expire with the death of the GPU unless you disable it AND GIVE UP THE OPTION TO RUN 2 DISPLAYS.***
Saying this absolutely hurts because I wanted one again when I went shopping to get the machine back I lost when my dad forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me with an ultimatum as a teenager and only thought with his wallet, not my concerns... As well as not making me whole, again, using the wallet as a reason. After I had the cash to buy one, I looked into them with one major non-negotiable requirement: No glossy panel; matte is required... Then the GPU issues strike such that it's not something I can ignore due to the high risk of failure :-(.
-
While the 17" long in the rearview mirror (and a longstanding grudge against my dad for being a cheapskate, while treating me like crap) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me when I got some time with one. It's both a welcome return, but also a total de-ja-vu for those of us who had the privilege to use the 17" MBP, like the ones we lost in 2012 when they discontinued it and lost our chance to have it back when the GPU issue became too big to ignore. Apple didn't directly say it, but that thing is their admission they F'd up royally, twice over. The screen is admitting killing the 17" was a bad move and the return to ports came after getting rid of Jony Ive and nobody wanted them due to the DongleGate design. Nobody misses the 2016-2020 dumpster fire era I know of. ***The best part of this machine? We got the 17" back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). We did lose USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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While the 17" long in the rearview mirror (and a longstanding grudge against my dad for being a cheapskate, while treating me like crap) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me when I got some time with one. It's both a welcome return, but also a total de-ja-vu for those of us who had the privilege to use the 17" MBP, like the ones we lost in 2012 when they discontinued it and lost our chance to have it back when the GPU issue became too big to ignore. Apple didn't directly say it, but that thing is their admission they F'd up royally, twice over. The screen is admitting killing the 17" was a bad move and the return to ports came after getting rid of Jony Ive and nobody wanted them due to the DongleGate design. Nobody misses the 2016-2020 dumpster fire era I know of. ***The best part? It's every bit as good as the Unibody 17" like yours was, without a problematic GPU waiting to die :-). We did lose USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
I looked at them; the 14" is for the 15" users, and the 16" is for those of us who wanted the 17" MBP back since the 16" comes with a weight penalty to get the screen alone. The 17" REPLACES the 17" for those of us who are okay with the weight penalty to have the massive screen back (the 16" is 4.7/4.8lbs; the weight variance is the heatsinking between Pro and Max; the 17" A1297 was 6.5lbs). The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notch-less screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things we got back on the new 16". It just took 10 years of resistance and booting Ive to get it. I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly; the panel size IS your warning about the weight and bulk. I asked a few people if they'd buy it and they said no if they didn't like large machines.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point. ***I hate saying it too. It's painful and infuriating :-(. They expire with the death of the GPU unless you disable it AND GIVE UP THE OPTION TO RUN 2 DISPLAYS.***
Saying this absolutely hurts because I wanted one again when I went shopping to get the machine back I lost when my dad forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me with an ultimatum as a teenager and only thought with his wallet, not my concerns... As well as not making me whole, again, using the wallet as a reason. After I had the cash to buy one, I looked into them with one major non-negotiable requirement: No glossy panel; matte is required... Then the GPU issues strike such that it's not something I can ignore due to the high risk of failure :-(.
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With the 17" long in the rearview mirror (and my permanent anger against my dad, I will never let him forget) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me; it walks like the last 17" we lost in 2012 and then permanently when the GPUs failed in mass but behaves like a whole new machine. It's an admission that Apple F'd up, twice; the screen size is an admission discontinuing the 17" panel was a major mistake, and the ports were an admission the DongleGate design was a mess. Nobody misses the 2016-2020 dumpster fire era I know of. ***The best part of this machine? We got the 17" back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). We did lose USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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While the 17" long in the rearview mirror (and a longstanding grudge against my dad for being a cheapskate, while treating me like crap) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me when I got some time with one. It's both a welcome return, but also a total de-ja-vu for those of us who had the privilege to use the 17" MBP, like the ones we lost in 2012 when they discontinued it and lost our chance to have it back when the GPU issue became too big to ignore. Apple didn't directly say it, but that thing is their admission they F'd up royally, twice over. The screen is admitting killing the 17" was a bad move and the return to ports came after getting rid of Jony Ive and nobody wanted them due to the DongleGate design. Nobody misses the 2016-2020 dumpster fire era I know of. ***The best part of this machine? We got the 17" back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). We did lose USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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While the 14" is good and it's just as good as the older 15" without the weight penalty of the 16" (which was implied due to the size of the display), the 16" shines as the replacement for the 17" for those of us who can take the heat of a 5lb (really 4.7/4.8lbs, depending on the Pro or Max choice made) laptop, when the 17" was 6.5lbs from 2009-2011. The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things we got back on the new 16". It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive to acknowledge the mistakes. I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly. The panel size basically says it all; I asked a few people if they'd buy it and they said no if they didn't like large machines.
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I looked at them; the 14" is for the 15" users, and the 16" is for those of us who wanted the 17" MBP back since the 16" comes with a weight penalty to get the screen alone. The 17" REPLACES the 17" for those of us who are okay with the weight penalty to have the massive screen back (the 16" is 4.7/4.8lbs; the weight variance is the heatsinking between Pro and Max; the 17" A1297 was 6.5lbs). The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notch-less screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things we got back on the new 16". It just took 10 years of resistance and booting Ive to get it. I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly; the panel size IS your warning about the weight and bulk. I asked a few people if they'd buy it and they said no if they didn't like large machines.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
-
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point. ***I hate saying it too. It's painful and infuriating :-(. They expire with the death of the GPU unless you disable it AND GIVE UP THE OPTION TO RUN 2 DISPLAYS.***
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17"ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out and didn't make me whole (I even looked into one later for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the 2011 logic board and 1200p matte screen to get another 17", but the issue was too big to ignore) :-(.
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Saying this absolutely hurts because I wanted one again when I went shopping to get the machine back I lost when my dad forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me with an ultimatum as a teenager and only thought with his wallet, not my concerns... As well as not making me whole, again, using the wallet as a reason. After I had the cash to buy one, I looked into them with one major non-negotiable requirement: No glossy panel; matte is required... Then the GPU issues strike such that it's not something I can ignore due to the high risk of failure :-(.
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The 17" being long in the rearview mirror (and my permanent anger against my dad, I will never let him forget) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me; it walks like the last 17" we lost in 2012 and then permanently when the GPUs failed in mass but behaves like a whole new machine. It's an admiddion that Apple F'd up; the screen size is an admission discontinuing the 17" panel was a major mistake, and the ports were admission the DongleGate design was a mess. Nobody misses the 2016-2020 dumpster fire era I know of. ***The best part of this machine? We got the 17" back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). We did lose USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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With the 17" long in the rearview mirror (and my permanent anger against my dad, I will never let him forget) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me; it walks like the last 17" we lost in 2012 and then permanently when the GPUs failed in mass but behaves like a whole new machine. It's an admission that Apple F'd up, twice; the screen size is an admission discontinuing the 17" panel was a major mistake, and the ports were an admission the DongleGate design was a mess. Nobody misses the 2016-2020 dumpster fire era I know of. ***The best part of this machine? We got the 17" back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). We did lose USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
While the 14" is good and it's just as good as the older 15" without the weight penalty of the 16" (which was implied due to the size of the display), the 16" shines as the replacement for the 17" for those of us who can take the heat of a 5lb (really 4.7/4.8lbs, depending on the Pro or Max choice made) laptop, when the 17" was 6.5lbs from 2009-2011. The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things we got back on the new 16". It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive to acknowledge the mistakes. I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly. The panel size basically says it all; I asked a few people if they'd buy it and they said no if they didn't like large machines.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out and didn't make me whole (I even looked into one later for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the 2011 logic board and 1200p matte screen to get another 17", but the issue was too big to ignore) :-(.
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The 17" being long in the rearview mirror (and my permanent anger against my dad, I will never let him forget) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me; it walks like the last 17" we lost in 2012 and then permanently when the GPUs failed in mass but behaves like a whole new machine. The screen is an admission discontinuing the 17" was a major mistake, and the ports were admission DongleGate was a bad idea through 2016-2020, and will not be missed. ***The best part? We got it back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). It lacks USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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The 17" being long in the rearview mirror (and my permanent anger against my dad, I will never let him forget) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me; it walks like the last 17" we lost in 2012 and then permanently when the GPUs failed in mass but behaves like a whole new machine. It's an admiddion that Apple F'd up; the screen size is an admission discontinuing the 17" panel was a major mistake, and the ports were admission the DongleGate design was a mess. Nobody misses the 2016-2020 dumpster fire era I know of. ***The best part of this machine? We got the 17" back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). We did lose USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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While the 14" is good and it's just as good without the weight penalty (which let's be honest, we knew would be there to have the 16" screen and ports with an M series CPU); the 14" is for travel and users who hate bulk. The 16" is about one thing: raw screen space at the expense of weight (4.7/4.8lbs, let's just say 5lbs; the 17" was 6.5lbs). The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things we won on when they put it out as a silent acknowledgement. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive. I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly. The panel size basically says it all; I asked a few people if they'd buy it and they said no if they didn't like large machines.
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While the 14" is good and it's just as good as the older 15" without the weight penalty of the 16" (which was implied due to the size of the display), the 16" shines as the replacement for the 17" for those of us who can take the heat of a 5lb (really 4.7/4.8lbs, depending on the Pro or Max choice made) laptop, when the 17" was 6.5lbs from 2009-2011. The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things we got back on the new 16". It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive to acknowledge the mistakes. I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly. The panel size basically says it all; I asked a few people if they'd buy it and they said no if they didn't like large machines.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out and didn't make me whole (I even looked into one later for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the 2011 logic board and 1200p matte screen to get another 17", but the issue was too big to ignore) :-(.
The 17" being long in the rearview mirror (and my permanent anger against my dad, I will never let him forget) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me; it walks like the last 17" we lost in 2012 and then permanently when the GPUs failed in mass but behaves like a whole new machine. The screen is an admission discontinuing the 17" was a major mistake, and the ports were admission DongleGate was a bad idea through 2016-2020, and will not be missed. ***The best part? We got it back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). It lacks USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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While the 14" is good and it's just as good without the weight penalty (which let's be honest, we knew would be there with the 16" M series), it feels like it was more built for travel, and the 15" users who don't like the weight penalty, while the 16" is about raw screen space at the expense of weight (4.7/4.8lbs, let's just say 5lbs; the 17" was 6.5lbs). The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many wins we pulled. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
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I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly. Something as massive as this new machine is basically a warning it will be heavy.
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While the 14" is good and it's just as good without the weight penalty (which let's be honest, we knew would be there to have the 16" screen and ports with an M series CPU); the 14" is for travel and users who hate bulk. The 16" is about one thing: raw screen space at the expense of weight (4.7/4.8lbs, let's just say 5lbs; the 17" was 6.5lbs). The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things we won on when they put it out as a silent acknowledgement. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive. I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly. The panel size basically says it all; I asked a few people if they'd buy it and they said no if they didn't like large machines.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out and didn't make me whole (I even looked into one later for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the 2011 logic board and 1200p matte screen to get another 17", but the issue was too big to ignore) :-(.
The 17" being long in the rearview mirror (and my permanent anger against my dad, I will never let him forget) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me; it walks like the last 17" we lost in 2012 and then permanently when the GPUs failed in mass but behaves like a whole new machine. The screen is an admission discontinuing the 17" was a major mistake, and the ports were admission DongleGate was a bad idea through 2016-2020, and will not be missed. ***The best part? We got it back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). It lacks USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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While the 14" is good and it's just as good without the weight penalty (which let's be honest, we knew would be there with the 16" M series), it feels like it was more built for travel, and the 15" users who don't like the weight penalty, while the 16" is about raw screen space at the expense of weight (4.7/4.8lbs, let's just say 5lbs; the 17" was 6.5lbs) and the only real compromise I found was the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things they got right. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
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While the 14" is good and it's just as good without the weight penalty (which let's be honest, we knew would be there with the 16" M series), it feels like it was more built for travel, and the 15" users who don't like the weight penalty, while the 16" is about raw screen space at the expense of weight (4.7/4.8lbs, let's just say 5lbs; the 17" was 6.5lbs). The only real "compromise" is the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many wins we pulled. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly. Something as massive as this new machine is basically a warning it will be heavy.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
-
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for this. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (I even looked into one for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the matte screen to get it back until the problem became too risky to ignore) :-(.
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out and didn't make me whole (I even looked into one later for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the 2011 logic board and 1200p matte screen to get another 17", but the issue was too big to ignore) :-(.
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This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I would have liked it to be all screen so we can hide the top bar to get to use all 16.5" of screen for work but that's the only major gripe I found. Since that’s the only real negative I found I can live with the notch since they basically rebirthed the 17” all over again otherwise. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
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The 14" felt more like it was for travel and the 15" crowd, and the 16" was built for the buyers who remember and missed the 17" and were fine with the fact it will be heavy and large
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The 17" being long in the rearview mirror (and my permanent anger against my dad, I will never let him forget) is the same reason why the M series 16" "spoke" to me; it walks like the last 17" we lost in 2012 and then permanently when the GPUs failed in mass but behaves like a whole new machine. The screen is an admission discontinuing the 17" was a major mistake, and the ports were admission DongleGate was a bad idea through 2016-2020, and will not be missed. ***The best part? We got it back, without the life-ending GPU failure defect :-). It lacks USB-A, but I'm fine with that at this point. Adapters and cables to make legacy HW work exist.***
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While the 14" is good and it's just as good without the weight penalty (which let's be honest, we knew would be there with the 16" M series), it feels like it was more built for travel, and the 15" users who don't like the weight penalty, while the 16" is about raw screen space at the expense of weight (4.7/4.8lbs, let's just say 5lbs; the 17" was 6.5lbs) and the only real compromise I found was the notch; would have been nice to go for a notchless screen and make all 16.5" usable with the top bar hidden, but it's a minor gripe with how many things they got right. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
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I'm not remotely concerned about people who buy it blindly. Something as massive as this new machine is basically a warning it will be heavy.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (I even looked into one for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the matte screen to get it back until the problem became too risky to ignore) :-(.
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This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I would have liked it to be all screen so we can hide the top bar to get to use all 16.5" of screen for work but if that's the only major gripe I found, I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
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This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I would have liked it to be all screen so we can hide the top bar to get to use all 16.5" of screen for work but that's the only major gripe I found. Since that’s the only real negative I found I can live with the notch since they basically rebirthed the 17” all over again otherwise. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
The 14" felt more like it was for travel and the 15" crowd, and the 16" was built for the buyers who remember and missed the 17" and were fine with the fact it will be heavy and large
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these. Eventually even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these. Eventually, even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (I even looked into one for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the matte screen to get it back until the problem became too risky to ignore) :-(.
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This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
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This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I would have liked it to be all screen so we can hide the top bar to get to use all 16.5" of screen for work but if that's the only major gripe I found, I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
The 14" felt more like it was for travel and the 15" crowd, and the 16" was built for the buyers who remember and missed the 17" and were fine with the fact it will be heavy and large
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these. Eventually even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (which I find even harder to forgive since the last good ones aren't even viable now) and it was wonderful to use, but it's just the truth :-(. This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (I even looked into one for a while until the mass GPU death issues killed it; I would have totally done it if it had the matte screen to get it back until the problem became too risky to ignore) :-(.
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This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
The 14" felt more like it was for travel and the 15" crowd, and the 16" was built for the buyers who remember and missed the 17" and were fine with the fact it will be heavy and large
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these. Eventually even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (which I find even harder to forgive since the last good ones aren't even viable now) and it was wonderful to use, but it's just the truth :-(. This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (which I find even harder to forgive since the last good ones aren't even viable now) and it was wonderful to use, but it's just the truth :-(. This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.[br]
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The 14" felt more like it was for travel and the 15" crowd, and the 16" was built for the buyers who remember and missed the 17" and were fine with the fact it will be heavy and large
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these.
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these. Eventually even this fails as it has issues due to the bad AMD GPUs. You're putting lipstick on a pig at this point, and it's infuriating.
Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (which I find even harder to forgive since the last good ones aren't even viable now) and it was wonderful to use, but it's just the truth :-(. This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool|new_window=true], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus|new_window=true] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these.
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You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [link|https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [link|https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these.
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (which I find even harder to forgive since the last good ones aren't even viable now) and it was wonderful to use, but it's just the truth :-(. This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch.
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Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (which I find even harder to forgive since the last good ones aren't even viable now) and it was wonderful to use, but it's just the truth :-(. This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch. It just took 10 years of resistance and booting out Ive.
The solution for these is not a reflow, that won't help because the issue will keep coming back. In addition to that, there are no new GPUs on the market we can solder onto these laptops so there's no practical way to repair them.
You can disable the GPU in firmware with the [https://doslabelectronics.com/Demux.html|Dosdude1 Demux tool|new_window=true], but it kills your second monitor. You can soft disable or force it with [https://gfx.io/|gfxcardstatus|new_window=true] too, but it doesn't solve the core issue that the GPU is shot and there's no fix for these.
Saying this absolutely hurts me being I had my 2009 17" ruined because my dad is cheap and forced a piece of crap eBay charger on me in my teens with an ultimatum and refused to hear me out (which I find even harder to forgive since the last good ones aren't even viable now) and it was wonderful to use, but it's just the truth :-(. This is the same reason I really came to like the new M series 16", they built the machine we lost in 2012 and permanently lost to GPU issues all over again and that's the one that really "spoke" to me; they built the 17" all over again in a way, but with modern parts and USB-C. The 14" is good but I'm totally fine with the weight to get my 17" back, even if it comes at the loss of .5" of screen and a notch. I can live with the notch.