***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it has a tendency to total out “budget” touchscreen devices like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so, even if I need to go 4K IPS and pay more. On the other hand, if parts are reasonably priced, I will entertain a touch model.***
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***My line is with “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), where service is impossible/high risk. If it costs substantially more (Ex: raw LCD is $150, touch assembly $250), I will either swap it with a non-touch assembly which works with my machine or max it out (Ex: If I have an iDP board with a 4K factory option, I'll look for a used 4K assembly and remove the touch parts). If I'm shopping, it's an IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFIER or I'm replacing the computer if it happens.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
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Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
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However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
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Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom. You may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with the only difference on the PM units just being an engraved lid. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
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However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s usually the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new, or a government only spec. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low-end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit where parts are available.***
In the US with these machines, we usually see one of these two issues when it isn’t a normal spec unit:
* Custom all-around spec (CPU/RAM/storage*) - often uses a low-end TN panel.
* Normal CPU/RAM options but has a custom storage configuration** - often uses a low-end TN panel, but you sometimes get lucky here.
With both of these, some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. In some cases, it doesn’t matter because if it’s a normal setup outside of a nonstandard hard drive I can tell the customer who has the notebook I can’t buy that ORIGINAL drive easily, but I can put an SSD in or a WD Black, for instance and be on my way like it never happened. That said, I cannot easily do that with a motherboard with a different CPU - best I can do is look around, but otherwise I need to tell the customer who has it I can’t match their old motherboard BUT I can see what the retail model uses and come as close as I can, but I need to see what the original failed board has compared to my close matched board, especially if it may use LVDS or iDP depending on the customizations.[br]
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''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).[br]
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''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD, and may need to spot check the motherboard for LVDS or iDP, as Dell did it too on their retail units during the iDP transition; I would be watching that issue closely if I was working on a grant laptop with Dell having done it before. HP is a situation where it should be verified, but they usually just put a cheap and nasty panel based on the "normal" iDP or LVDS motherboard in; (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).[br]
''*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.[br]
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low-end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit where parts are available.***
In the US with these machines, we usually see one of these two issues when it isn’t a normal spec unit:
* Custom all-around spec (CPU/RAM/storage*) - often uses a low-end TN panel.
* Normal CPU/RAM options but has a custom storage configuration** - often uses a low-end TN panel, but you sometimes get lucky here.
-
With both of these, some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems and in some cases, it doesn’t matter because if it’s say, a normal setup outside of a nonstandard hard drive I can tell the customer who has the notebook I can’t buy that ORIGINAL drive easily, but I can put a SSD in or a WD Black, for instance and be on my way like it never happened. That said, I cannot easily do that with a motherboard with a different CPU - best I can do is look around, but otherwise I need to tell the customer who has it I can’t match their old motherboard BUT I can see what the retail model uses and come as close as I can, but I need to see what the original failed board has compared to my close matched board, especially if it may use LVDS or iDP depending on the customizations.[br]
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With both of these, some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. In some cases, it doesn’t matter because if it’s a normal setup outside of a nonstandard hard drive I can tell the customer who has the notebook I can’t buy that ORIGINAL drive easily, but I can put an SSD in or a WD Black, for instance and be on my way like it never happened. That said, I cannot easily do that with a motherboard with a different CPU - best I can do is look around, but otherwise I need to tell the customer who has it I can’t match their old motherboard BUT I can see what the retail model uses and come as close as I can, but I need to see what the original failed board has compared to my close matched board, especially if it may use LVDS or iDP depending on the customizations.[br]
''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).[br]
''*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.[br]
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low-end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit where parts are available.***
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However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM and a different HDD/SSD* then normal (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, they are based on readily available parts (or similar parts in every way but one or two technicalities that make it harder to find an exact match). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).[br]
-
''*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.
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In the US with these machines, we usually see one of these two issues when it isn’t a normal spec unit:
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* Custom all-around spec (CPU/RAM/storage*) - often uses a low-end TN panel.
+
* Normal CPU/RAM options but has a custom storage configuration** - often uses a low-end TN panel, but you sometimes get lucky here.
+
With both of these, some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems and in some cases, it doesn’t matter because if it’s say, a normal setup outside of a nonstandard hard drive I can tell the customer who has the notebook I can’t buy that ORIGINAL drive easily, but I can put a SSD in or a WD Black, for instance and be on my way like it never happened. That said, I cannot easily do that with a motherboard with a different CPU - best I can do is look around, but otherwise I need to tell the customer who has it I can’t match their old motherboard BUT I can see what the retail model uses and come as close as I can, but I need to see what the original failed board has compared to my close matched board, especially if it may use LVDS or iDP depending on the customizations.[br]
+
''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).[br]
+
''*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.[br]
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low-end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit where parts are available.***
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***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM and a different HDD/SSD* then normal (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, they are based on readily available parts (or similar parts in every way but one or two technicalities that make it harder to find an exact match). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).[br]
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''****An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.
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However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM and a different HDD/SSD* then normal (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, they are based on readily available parts (or similar parts in every way but one or two technicalities that make it harder to find an exact match). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).[br]
+
''*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
-
***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or lowend AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit parts can be found for.***
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***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low-end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit where parts are available.***
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***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM and a different HDD/SSD* then normal (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, they are based on readily available parts (or similar parts in every way but one or two technicalities that make it harder to find an exact match). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''***
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*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.
+
***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM and a different HDD/SSD* then normal (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, they are based on readily available parts (or similar parts in every way but one or two technicalities that make it harder to find an exact match). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).[br]
+
''****An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit parts can be found for.***
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***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM and a different HDD/SSD* then normal (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, they are based on readily available parts (or similar parts in every way but one or two technicalities that make it harder to find). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''***
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***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM and a different HDD/SSD* then normal (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, they are based on readily available parts (or similar parts in every way but one or two technicalities that make it harder to find an exact match). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''***
*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit parts can be found for.***
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***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, it’s based on readily available parts, but they cut down on RAM and storage,as well as storage type (small HD vs SSD*). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''***
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***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM and a different HDD/SSD* then normal (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, they are based on readily available parts (or similar parts in every way but one or two technicalities that make it harder to find). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''***
*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit parts can be found for.***
***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, it’s based on readily available parts, but they cut down on RAM and storage, as well as storage type (small HD vs SSD*). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''***
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****An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.***
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*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
-
***FYI: It’s not just you - we run into this problem in the States as well, but less often.However, the laptops that get given out as grant machines or through welfare programs are still plagued with red flags like parts anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low-end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit.***
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***FYI: It’s not just you - we also occasionally run into this problem in the States as well with grant and systems given to people with a low income through welfare programs. However, when we do it tends to be based on a retail version, but with specs anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit parts can be found for.***
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***However, in some cases with ex grant laptops the difference is just a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get). With those, some parts aren’t as plentiful due to literally nobody else having it. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, it’s based on readily available parts, but they cut down on RAM and storage, as well as storage type (small HD vs SSD*). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''[br]
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*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.***
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***However, with the grant laptops that have a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get) some parts aren’t easy to find so we also see this in different areas, but also run into these problems. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, it’s based on readily available parts, but they cut down on RAM and storage, as well as storage type (small HD vs SSD*). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''***
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****An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.***
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
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***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can, so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150, touchscreen $250 will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.***
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150 vs a $250 touchscreen will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.[br]
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***''*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPad’s but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.''
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*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.
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Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units just being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Otherwise, option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.''[br]
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However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
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Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-customso you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.'' However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
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***FYI: It’s not just you - we run into this problem in the States as well, but less often. However, the laptops that get given out as grant machines or through welfare programs are still plagued with red flags like parts anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at (Ex: Celeron or low-end AMD). Some are engraved, others aren’t - depends on the program. US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy a low-end retail unit.***
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***FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (often easily spotted by engraved lids to advertise, but usually the telltale sign here is a spec anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at - think Celeron or entry level AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy the lowest end retail unit.***
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***However, in some cases with ex grant laptops. the machine is running a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), so some parts aren’t as plentiful due to literally nobody else having it, or they use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In other cases, it’s cut down on RAM and storage/storage type (small HD vs SSD) but otherwise standard. An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant. In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Try doing it on a grant laptop? You need the cable and LCD AND match the panel compatibility to the motherboard to ensure you’re installing the right part/if it can be done. It’s really hard to get LVDS past HD+ and you need a cable, but iDP is painless as long as it works.)***
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***However, in some cases with ex grant laptops the difference is just a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest LCD they can get). With those, some parts aren’t as plentiful due to literally nobody else having it. Others use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In most cases, it’s based on readily available parts, but they cut down on RAM and storage, as well as storage type (small HD vs SSD*). ''In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades or repairs as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Want to try doing that on a grant laptop? You often need the cable and LCD. And you may need to verify panel compatibility (Ex: Common spec retail is FHD iDP, but the “grant system” is LVDS 768p - cable and LCD required, and you can’t really exceed HD+).''[br]
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*An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant.***
***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150, touchscreen $250 will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.***
*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.'' However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
-
***FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (often easily spotted by engraved lids to advertise, but usually the telltale sign is a super low-end spec anyone who can buy the machine themselves will laugh at. Think Celeron or entry level AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy the lowest end retail unit.***
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***FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (often easily spotted by engraved lids to advertise, but usually the telltale sign here is a spec anyone who can buy their own laptop will laugh at - think Celeron or entry level AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy the lowest end retail unit.***
***However, in some cases with ex grant laptops. the machine is running a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), so some parts aren’t as plentiful due to literally nobody else having it, or they use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In other cases, it’s cut down on RAM and storage/storage type (small HD vs SSD) but otherwise standard. An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant. In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Try doing it on a grant laptop? You need the cable and LCD AND match the panel compatibility to the motherboard to ensure you’re installing the right part/if it can be done. It’s really hard to get LVDS past HD+ and you need a cable, but iDP is painless as long as it works.)***
'''FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.'''
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***FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.***
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only” as well. '''''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to not be cheap to replace, but some of them aren’t expensive - it depends on the laptop, it seems.''''' '''The touchscreen LCD part cost problem is the specific reason when I look into touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - the assembly can’t be expensive and if it is expensive, ideally it has to be serviceable with spare parts being available independent of the assembly (i.e. if I need the LCD, it needs to be be available AND easy to keep the rest, even if I have to buy it with Dell or HP’s glass digitizer because it is fused together). IF it is considered “non serviceable”, it better not cost a lot more than a raw LCD (as in raw LCD is $150 vs $250 for the “non serviceable” assembly being a non-starter) - meaning prices need to be realistic in the absolute worst case, like a damaged LCD. IF both checks fail, I’ll look for a non-touch model unless donor systems are economically priced.'''
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only”, or you can replace it piecemeal but you’re buying a panel fused to glass and it isn’t much better. ***''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to be so expensive, it’ll total out a “budget” touchscreen model like the Haier Y11.'' The cost to replace a bad touchscreen is part of the reason I avoid them when I reasonably can do so. If it’s reasonably priced, I’ll look into it but if I find the screens are 30-40% of the cost of the notebook at the time of purchase, it’s a disqualifying feature. For “non serviceable” variants (like Dell), it CANNOT cost a lot more than a raw LCD (Ex: Raw LCD $150, touchscreen $250 will disqualify the option, $150 raw vs $200 acceptable). Once it gets too expensive, you’re replacing the screen with a known good one from a donor, or the entire computer.***
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*Not all of them, to be fair - it’s usually just a plague on high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want to take on, why would I buy low end? Screw that, give me that i5/i7 CPU.
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*Not all of them, to be fair - the price issue usually just plagues high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit - but much like Dell and HP, Lenovo has some “non-serviceable” stinkers. Yes, I can settle. But why in the world would I do that when I can buy a high-end variant for the same money as the low end? Screw that, give me my i5/i7 or Ryzen 5/7.
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Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure first, but it’s probably just engraved by Haier for Pakistan and it’s likely similar to the retail Y11B internally - you may be in good shape here. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel (or if it’s a total loss situation, a junk unit from a former qualified student/retail unit, if compatible) - it looks like Haier sold these to the public and it may not be exclusive the PM scheme, outside of the engraved lid.
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Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, the parts may or may not be semi-custom so you may want to make sure first, but it looks like the Y11B was also sold to the general public with PM units being engraved. ''I would see if you can buy just the glass adhered to the bezel, but you may need to replace the entire assembly here. Option B is buying a donor from a student who moved onto a better laptop and has it laying around due to a fatal defect like a bad motherboard.'' However, if the PM Laptop scheme is anything like the US for things like Vocational Rehab programs or school grants it’s nearly the same as the standard model with a different model number you can’t buy new as it’s a “hidden” spec variant. For things like Voc Rehab, temp owned loaner then you wait 6 months for a permanent machine.
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'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super lowend CPU wise;think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the States it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
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***FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (often easily spotted by engraved lids to advertise, but usually the telltale sign is a super low-end spec anyone who can buy the machine themselves will laugh at. Think Celeron or entry level AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out, or flat out telling the student it’s BER. Thankfully some programs are sensible and just buy the lowest end retail unit.***
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'''However, in some cases if the ex grant laptop has a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to “stripper” motherboards being used,in some cases (nobody wants these boards retail, especially outside of a laptop). In other cases it’s got less RAM and a worse then retail hard drive (think retail base may come with 500GB, while the “special” specifications from Dell/HP may be a 250GB drive, for example. Nobody is hunting that exact drive down if it dies) but otherwise perfectly standard. In some cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
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***However, in some cases with ex grant laptops. the machine is running a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), so some parts aren’t as plentiful due to literally nobody else having it, or they use “stripper” motherboards (which no retail buyer wants). In other cases, it’s cut down on RAM and storage/storage type (small HD vs SSD) but otherwise standard. An example here is base retail is 8GB/500GB HD vs 4GB/250GB HD on the grant variant. In other cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: Before SureView, it was easy to replace the 768p LCD for a FHD IPS on the HP Commercial laptops. Try doing it on a grant laptop? You need the cable and LCD AND match the panel compatibility to the motherboard to ensure you’re installing the right part/if it can be done. It’s really hard to get LVDS past HD+ and you need a cable, but iDP is painless as long as it works.)***
'''FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.'''
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only” as well. '''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to not be cheap to replace, but some of them aren’t expensive - it depends on the laptop, it seems.''''''''The touchscreen LCD part cost problem is the specific reason when I look into touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - the assembly can’t be expensive and if it is expensive, ideally it has to be serviceable with spare parts being available independent of the assembly (i.e. if I need the LCD, it needs to be be available AND easy to keep the rest, even if I have to buy it with Dell or HP’s glass digitizer because it is fused together). IF it is considered “non serviceable”, it better not cost a lot more than a raw LCD (as in raw LCD is $150 vs $250 for the “non serviceable” assembly being a non-starter) - meaning prices need to be realistic in the absolute worst case, like a damaged LCD. IF both checks fail, I’ll look for a non-touch model unless donor systems are economically priced.'''
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only” as well. '''''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to not be cheap to replace, but some of them aren’t expensive - it depends on the laptop, it seems.''''' '''The touchscreen LCD part cost problem is the specific reason when I look into touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - the assembly can’t be expensive and if it is expensive, ideally it has to be serviceable with spare parts being available independent of the assembly (i.e. if I need the LCD, it needs to be be available AND easy to keep the rest, even if I have to buy it with Dell or HP’s glass digitizer because it is fused together). IF it is considered “non serviceable”, it better not cost a lot more than a raw LCD (as in raw LCD is $150 vs $250 for the “non serviceable” assembly being a non-starter) - meaning prices need to be realistic in the absolute worst case, like a damaged LCD. IF both checks fail, I’ll look for a non-touch model unless donor systems are economically priced.'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - it’s usually just a plague on high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want to take on, why would I buy low end? Screw that, give me that i5/i7 CPU.
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure first, but it’s probably just engraved by Haier for Pakistan and it’s likely similar to the retail Y11B internally - you may be in good shape here. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel (or if it’s a total loss situation, a junk unit from a former qualified student/retail unit, if compatible) - it looks like Haier sold these to the public and it may not be exclusive the PM scheme, outside of the engraved lid.
'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super low end CPU wise; think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the States it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
'''However, in some cases if the ex grant laptop has a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to “stripper” motherboards being used, in some cases (nobody wants these boards retail, especially outside of a laptop). In other cases it’s got less RAM and a worse then retail hard drive (think retail base may come with 500GB, while the “special” specifications from Dell/HP may be a 250GB drive, for example. Nobody is hunting that exact drive down if it dies) but otherwise perfectly standard. In some cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
'''FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.'''
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only” as well. '''''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to not be cheap to replace, but some of them aren’t expensive - it depends on the laptop, it seems.''' '''''The touchscreen LCD part cost problem is the specific reason when I look into touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - the assembly can’t be expensive and if it is expensive, ideally it has to be serviceable with spare parts being available independent of the assembly (i.e. if I need the LCD, it needs to be be available AND easy to keep the rest, even if I have to buy it with Dell or HP’s glass digitizer because it is fused together). IF it is considered “non serviceable”, it better not cost a lot more than a raw LCD (as in raw LCD is $150 vs $250 for the “non serviceable” assembly being a non-starter) - meaning prices need to be realistic in the absolute worst case, like a damaged LCD. IF both checks fail, I’ll look for a non-touch model unless donor systems are economically priced.'''
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only” as well. '''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to not be cheap to replace, but some of them aren’t expensive - it depends on the laptop, it seems.''' '''''The touchscreen LCD part cost problem is the specific reason when I look into touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - the assembly can’t be expensive and if it is expensive, ideally it has to be serviceable with spare parts being available independent of the assembly (i.e. if I need the LCD, it needs to be be available AND easy to keep the rest, even if I have to buy it with Dell or HP’s glass digitizer because it is fused together). IF it is considered “non serviceable”, it better not cost a lot more than a raw LCD (as in raw LCD is $150 vs $250 for the “non serviceable” assembly being a non-starter) - meaning prices need to be realistic in the absolute worst case, like a damaged LCD. IF both checks fail, I’ll look for a non-touch model unless donor systems are economically priced.'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - it’s usually just a plague on high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want to take on, why would I buy low end? Screw that, give me that i5/i7 CPU.
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure first, but it’s probably just engraved by Haier for Pakistan and it’s likely similar to the retail Y11B internally - you may be in good shape here. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel (or if it’s a total loss situation, a junk unit from a former qualified student/retail unit, if compatible) - it looks like Haier sold these to the public and it may not be exclusive the PM scheme, outside of the engraved lid.
'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super low end CPU wise; think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the States it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
'''However, in some cases if the ex grant laptop has a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to “stripper” motherboards being used, in some cases (nobody wants these boards retail, especially outside of a laptop). In other cases it’s got less RAM and a worse then retail hard drive (think retail base may come with 500GB, while the “special” specifications from Dell/HP may be a 250GB drive, for example. Nobody is hunting that exact drive down if it dies) but otherwise perfectly standard. In some cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
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'''FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.'''
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With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - can’t be expensive and it has to be serviceable (i.e. bare LCD can be replaced, even if I need glass and a LCD). If those checks fail, it has to be easily found on a donor with no chance of being repaired economically. The problem is I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them, so I need the unit*!'''
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With a lot of these glass touchscreen laptops, you usually need to replace the screen as an assembly* unless it’s something like the consumer “touch optional” HP arrangement where the touchscreen controller is part of the LCD driver board - HP’s glass digitizer models also tend to be “assembly only” as well. '''''In many cases, these touch assemblies tend to not be cheap to replace, but some of them aren’t expensive - it depends on the laptop, it seems.''' '''''The touchscreen LCD part cost problem is the specific reason when I look into touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - the assembly can’t be expensive and if it is expensive, ideally it has to be serviceable with spare parts being available independent of the assembly (i.e. if I need the LCD, it needs to be be available AND easy to keep the rest, even if I have to buy it with Dell or HP’s glass digitizer because it is fused together). IF it is considered “non serviceable”, it better not cost a lot more than a raw LCD (as in raw LCD is $150 vs $250 for the “non serviceable” assembly being a non-starter) - meaning prices need to be realistic in the absolute worst case, like a damaged LCD. IF both checks fail, I’ll look for a non-touch model unless donor systems are economically priced.'''
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want to take on, why would I buy low end? Screw that, give me that i5/i7 CPU.
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*Not all of them, to be fair - it’s usually just a plague on high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want to take on, why would I buy low end? Screw that, give me that i5/i7 CPU.
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure first, but it’s probably just engraved by Haier for Pakistan and it’s likely similar to the retail Y11B internally - you may be in good shape here. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel (or if it’s a total loss situation, a junk unit from a former qualified student/retail unit, if compatible) - it looks like Haier sold these to the public and it may not be exclusive the PM scheme, outside of the engraved lid.
'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super low end CPU wise; think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the States it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
'''However, in some cases if the ex grant laptop has a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to “stripper” motherboards being used, in some cases (nobody wants these boards retail, especially outside of a laptop). In other cases it’s got less RAM and a worse then retail hard drive (think retail base may come with 500GB, while the “special” specifications from Dell/HP may be a 250GB drive, for example. Nobody is hunting that exact drive down if it dies) but otherwise perfectly standard. In some cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - can’t be expensive and it has to be serviceable (i.e. bare LCD can be replaced, even if I need glass and a LCD). If those checks fail, it has to be easily found on a donor with no chance of being repaired economically. The problem is I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them, so I need the unit*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want to take on, why would I buy low end? Screw that, give me that i5/i7 CPU.
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure first, but it’s probably just engraved by Haier for Pakistan and it’s likely similar to the retail Y11B internally - you may be in good shape here. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel (or if it’s a total loss situation, a junk unit from a former qualified student/retail unit, if compatible) - it looks like Haier sold these to the public and it may not be exclusive the PM scheme, outside of the engraved lid.
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'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super low end CPU wise; think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the states it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
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'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super low end CPU wise; think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the States it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
'''However, in some cases if the ex grant laptop has a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to “stripper” motherboards being used, in some cases (nobody wants these boards retail, especially outside of a laptop). In other cases it’s got less RAM and a worse then retail hard drive (think retail base may come with 500GB, while the “special” specifications from Dell/HP may be a 250GB drive, for example. Nobody is hunting that exact drive down if it dies) but otherwise perfectly standard. In some cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - can’t be expensive and it has to be serviceable (i.e. bare LCD can be replaced, even if I need glass and a LCD). If those checks fail, it has to be easily found on a donor with no chance of being repaired economically. The problem is I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them, so I need the unit*!'''
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want t take on, why would I buy low end?
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want to take on, why would I buy low end? Screw that, give me that i5/i7 CPU.
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure first, but it’s probably just engraved by Haier for Pakistan and it’s likely similar to the retail Y11B internally - you may be in good shape here. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel (or if it’s a total loss situation, a junk unit from a former qualified student/retail unit, if compatible) - it looks like Haier sold these to the public and it may not be exclusive the PM scheme, outside of the engraved lid.
'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super low end CPU wise; think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the states it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
'''However, in some cases if the ex grant laptop has a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to “stripper” motherboards being used, in some cases (nobody wants these boards retail, especially outside of a laptop). In other cases it’s got less RAM and a worse then retail hard drive (think retail base may come with 500GB, while the “special” specifications from Dell/HP may be a 250GB drive, for example. Nobody is hunting that exact drive down if it dies) but otherwise perfectly standard. In some cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
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With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs, I have to be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest or the unit isn’t as much as the computer to replace/donor systems are easy to get - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
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With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs it is very conditional - can’t be expensive and it has to be serviceable (i.e. bare LCD can be replaced, even if I need glass and a LCD). If those checks fail, it has to be easily found on a donor with no chance of being repaired economically. The problem is I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them, so I need the unit*!'''
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work to be 100% why would I buy low end?
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work then you may want t take on, why would I buy low end?
Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure first, but it’s probably just engraved by Haier for Pakistan and it’s likely similar to the retail Y11B internally - you may be in good shape here. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel (or if it’s a total loss situation, a junk unit from a former qualified student/retail unit, if compatible) - it looks like Haier sold these to the public and it may not be exclusive the PM scheme, outside of the engraved lid.
'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super low end CPU wise; think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the states it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
'''However, in some cases if the ex grant laptop has a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to “stripper” motherboards being used, in some cases (nobody wants these boards retail, especially outside of a laptop). In other cases it’s got less RAM and a worse then retail hard drive (think retail base may come with 500GB, while the “special” specifications from Dell/HP may be a 250GB drive, for example. Nobody is hunting that exact drive down if it dies) but otherwise perfectly standard. In some cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
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With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
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With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy touchscreen laptops with bad LCDs, I have to be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest or the unit isn’t as much as the computer to replace/donor systems are easy to get - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. I usually buy ones that need some help being finished, so I don’t bother with entry level.
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. When I can finish a unit that needs a bit more work to be 100% why would I buy low end?
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Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly.Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” low end laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop; not hard to spot them once you know the mark of the beast is a Celeron or low end AMD CPU.'''
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Since the Y11B was used in the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure first, but it’s probably just engraved by Haier for Pakistan and it’s likely similar to the retail Y11B internally - you may be in good shape here. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel (or if it’s a total loss situation, a junk unit from a former qualified student/retail unit, if compatible) - it looks like Haier sold these to the public and it may not be exclusive the PM scheme, outside of the engraved lid.
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully; that’s honestly the best way to do it, tbh. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use, or the original hard drive is 250-320GB, while the consumer baseline is 500GB or a 256GB SSD and you don’t bother matching it if you replace it), or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
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'''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” grant/low-income program issued laptops, which tend to be the lowest spec you can buy (easily spotted by engraved lids in some cases, but usually the telltale sign is being super low end CPU wise; think Celeron or low end AMD). US fixers who sometimes run into them from former students aren’t alone in having to figure it out. However in the states it’s usually a common retail/online model from Dell or HP, so parts are less of an issue :-).'''
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'''However, in some cases if the ex grant laptop has a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to “stripper” motherboards being used, in some cases (nobody wants these boards retail, especially outside of a laptop). In other cases it’s got less RAM and a worse then retail hard drive (think retail base may come with 500GB, while the “special” specifications from Dell/HP may be a 250GB drive, for example. Nobody is hunting that exact drive down if it dies) but otherwise perfectly standard. In some cases, you can’t make certain upgrades as easily without other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. I usually buy ones that need some help being finished, so I don’t bother with entry level.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” low end laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop; not hard to spot them once you know the mark of the beast is a Celeron or low end AMD CPU.'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully; that’s honestly the best way to do it, tbh. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use, or the original hard drive is 250-320GB, while the consumer baseline is 500GB or a 256GB SSD and you don’t bother matching it if you replace it), or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades).'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully; that’s honestly the best way to do it, tbh. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use, or the original hard drive is 250-320GB, while the consumer baseline is 500GB or a 256GB SSD and you don’t bother matching it if you replace it), or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades). In some cases with them, I’m stuck with the same nasty 768p LCD, but I may be able to get a LG or Samsung TN LCD, especially if Dell used a awful AUO LCD.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit.
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit. I usually buy ones that need some help being finished, so I don’t bother with entry level.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” low end laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop; not hard to spot them once you know the mark of the beast is a Celeron or low end AMD CPU.'''
'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully; that’s honestly the best way to do it, tbh. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use, or the original hard drive is 250-320GB, while the consumer baseline is 500GB or a 256GB SSD and you don’t bother matching it if you replace it), or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades).'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” low end laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop; not hard to spot them once you know the mark of the beast is a Celeron or low end AMD CPU.'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully; that’s honestly the best way to do it, tbh. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use, or the original hard drive is 250-320GB, while the consumer baseline is 500GB or a 256GB SSD and you don’t bother matching it if you replace it), or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try it on a grant issued Inspiron you may need a new LCD cable, or the old LCD has to be matched.'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully; that’s honestly the best way to do it, tbh. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use, or the original hard drive is 250-320GB, while the consumer baseline is 500GB or a 256GB SSD and you don’t bother matching it if you replace it), or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try swapping a nasty looking 768p TN LCD for a HD+ or FHD LCD on a grant issued Inspiron, I may need to check if the board is iDP or LVDS first and see what I can do with upgrades).'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit.
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Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop; not hard to spot them once you know the mark of the beast is a Celeron or low end AMD CPU.'''
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Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with “common” low end laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop; not hard to spot them once you know the mark of the beast is a Celeron or low end AMD CPU.'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use) or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try it on a grant issued Inspiron you may need a new LCD cable, or the old LCD has to be matched.'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully; that’s honestly the best way to do it, tbh. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use, or the original hard drive is 250-320GB, while the consumer baseline is 500GB or a 256GB SSD and you don’t bother matching it if you replace it), or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try it on a grant issued Inspiron you may need a new LCD cable, or the old LCD has to be matched.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop; not hard to spot them once you know the mark of the beast is a Celeron or low end AMD CPU.'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commerical laptop LCDs, but if you try it on a grant issued Inspiron you may need a new LCD cable, or the old LCD has to be matched.'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful due to limited public consumer interest (Ex: Stripped down motherboards with low end CPUs that even the worst models consumers can buy do not use) or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commercial laptop LCDs, but if you try it on a grant issued Inspiron you may need a new LCD cable, or the old LCD has to be matched.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit.
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Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop. It’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec, some parts aren’t as plentiful or you can’t make certain modifications (Ex: 768p 840 G5 LCD upgrade to FHD IPS, or you may need to buy the 768p LCD but it’s otherwise the same laptop otherwise).'''
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Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop; not hard to spot them once you know the mark of the beast is a Celeron or low end AMD CPU.'''
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'''In our case in the States, it’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec (and possibly the nastiest looking and lowest resolution LCD they can get), some parts aren’t as plentiful or you can’t make certain modifications without changing other parts (Ex: It’s easy to upgrade a lot of the iDP HP Commerical laptop LCDs, but if you try it on a grant issued Inspiron you may need a new LCD cable, or the old LCD has to be matched.'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series.
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series. In some cases as well, this is the case on touchscreen ThinkPads but Lenovo is better about making the LCD parts “modular” so you can service the unit.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop. It’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec, some parts aren’t as plentiful or you can’t make certain modifications (Ex: 768p 840 G5 LCD upgrade to FHD IPS, or you may need to buy the 768p LCD but it’s otherwise the same laptop otherwise).'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
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With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
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With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper UNLESS I can be 150% sure I can just get the raw LCD and preserve the rest - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop. It’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec, some parts aren’t as plentiful or you can’t make certain modifications (Ex: 768p 840 G5 LCD upgrade to FHD IPS, or you may need to buy the 768p LCD but it’s otherwise the same laptop otherwise).'''
FYI: I’m from the States, but I’m answering this as well as I can so you know what to POTENTIALLY expect.
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With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop. It’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec, some parts aren’t as plentiful or you can’t make certain modifications (Ex: 768p 840 G5 LCD upgrade to FHD IPS, or you may need to buy the 768p LCD but it’s otherwise the same laptop otherwise).'''
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines.
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*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines like the EliteBook and Latitude E7 series.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop. It’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec, some parts aren’t as plentiful or you can’t make certain modifications (Ex: 768p 840 G5 LCD upgrade to FHD IPS, or you may need to buy the 768p LCD but it’s otherwise the same laptop otherwise).'''
With a lot of these touchscreen laptops, you need to replace the screen as a unit unless it’s something like the HP arrangement is part of the driver board on the LCD (which isn’t used on ALL of their touch laptops; usually just “touch optional” HP Consumer ones). On these touchscreen laptops with a glass touchscreen, you usually end up having to replace the LCD assembly*. Sometimes it’s cheap, but on quite a few of these it’s not an inexpensive part. '''This parts cost problem is the specific reason when I buy laptops with bad LCDs touch is a show stopper - I can’t just buy a bare panel with a lot of them*!'''
*Not all of them, to be fair - usually just the high end machines.
Since the Y11B is part of the PM laptop scheme, parts may or may not be somewhat custom so you may want to make sure. If it isn’t, you can search around and see if you can just find the digitizer+bezel or if you need a new LCD assembly. Hopefully the Y11B is standard and the government just tweaked the CPU/RAM/SSD specs and left it be otherwise. '''FYI: We run into this problem in the States as well with common laptops that get given to low income students who qualify for grants and a laptop. It’s usually an off-the-shelf model like a Dell or HP so parts aren’t an issue, thankfully. However, in some cases if they went for a custom CPU/RAM/SSD spec, some parts aren’t as plentiful or you can’t make certain modifications (Ex: 768p 840 G5 LCD upgrade to FHD IPS, or you may need to buy the 768p LCD but it’s otherwise the same laptop otherwise).'''