The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N970). There are multiple problems I see on the value side:
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The problem with CPU upgrades is not that it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N970). There are multiple problems I see on the value side:
* For Intel systems, the gains are better but you have to be coming from something very low end like a B950 to a 2450M to make this project worthwhile ($15-20 for a used 2450M). '''You run into similar issues when you move up the i3 on the Intel side as you do with AMD (+864 points with the i3-2350M>i5-2450M).''' I would only do an i3>i5 swap if I had a compatible CPU and it cost me nothing personally with such close margins. Sub 1,000+ gains aren’t worth the effort required.
* On the AMD side, the margins are low even when I assume the system shipped with a Turion II P560. '''You’d need to max this out with the N970 for it to be worthwhile with AMD boards - and you only gain +829 CPU points. That’s a rounding error for the time required to get it.'''
* Some CPUs cost about as much as a upgraded computer on the secondary market, without Covid-19 affecting availability.
** This is HP specific, but they also tend to have problems cooling higher end CPUs well (less without the GPU, though). Stick to midrange options like the i5 or the temps often skyrocket.
* '''Soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.'''
Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap and the time required. This is not something you can do quickly unless you’ve done it; and if you know how you can tell when it’s a complete waste of time.
The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N970). There are multiple problems I see on the value side:
* For Intel systems, the gains are better but you have to be coming from something very low end like a B950 to a 2450M to make this project worthwhile ($15-20 for a used 2450M). '''You run into similar issues when you move up the i3 on the Intel side as you do with AMD (+864 points with the i3-2350M>i5-2450M).''' I would only do an i3>i5 swap if I had a compatible CPU and it cost me nothing personally with such close margins. Sub 1,000+ gains aren’t worth the effort required.
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* On the AMD side, the margins are low even when I assume the system shipped with a Turion II P560. '''You’d need to max this out with the N970 for it to be worthwhile with AMD boards. You only gain +829 CPU points. That’s a rounding error for the time required to get it.'''
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* On the AMD side, the margins are low even when I assume the system shipped with a Turion II P560. '''You’d need to max this out with the N970 for it to be worthwhile with AMD boards - and you only gain +829 CPU points. That’s a rounding error for the time required to get it.'''
* Some CPUs cost about as much as a upgraded computer on the secondary market, without Covid-19 affecting availability.
** This is HP specific, but they also tend to have problems cooling higher end CPUs well (less without the GPU, though). Stick to midrange options like the i5 or the temps often skyrocket.
* '''Soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.'''
Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap and the time required. This is not something you can do quickly unless you’ve done it; and if you know how you can tell when it’s a complete waste of time.
The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N970). There are multiple problems I see on the value side:
* For Intel systems, the gains are better but you have to be coming from something very low end like a B950 to a 2450M to make this project worthwhile ($15-20 for a used 2450M). '''You run into similar issues when you move up the i3 on the Intel side as you do with AMD (+864 points with the i3-2350M>i5-2450M).''' I would only do an i3>i5 swap if I had a compatible CPU and it cost me nothing personally with such close margins. Sub 1,000+ gains aren’t worth the effort required.
* On the AMD side, the margins are low even when I assume the system shipped with a Turion II P560. '''You’d need to max this out with the N970 for it to be worthwhile with AMD boards. You only gain +829 CPU points. That’s a rounding error for the time required to get it.'''
* Some CPUs cost about as much as a upgraded computer on the secondary market, without Covid-19 affecting availability.
** This is HP specific, but they also tend to have problems cooling higher end CPUs well (less without the GPU, though). Stick to midrange options like the i5 or the temps often skyrocket.
* '''Soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.'''
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Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap.
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Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap and the time required. This is not something you can do quickly unless you’ve done it; and if you know how you can tell when it’s a complete waste of time.
The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N970). There are multiple problems I see on the value side:
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* For Intel systems, the gains are better but you have to be coming from something very low end like a B950 to a 2450M to make this project worthwhile ($15-20 for a used CPU). You run into similar issues when you move up the i3 on the Intel side as you do with AMD (+864 points with the i3-2350M). I would only do an i3>i5 swap if I had a compatible CPU and it cost me nothing personally with such close margins.
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* On the AMD side, the margins are low even when I assume the lowest end CPU is installed (Turion II P560). You’d need to max this out with the N970 and even then you only gain +829 CPU points compared to the worst case CPU vs +1,227 coming from a B950>i5-2520M.
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* Some CPUs cost about as much as a upgraded computer on the secondary market, without Covid-19 affecting availability. This is HP specific, but they also tend to have problems cooling higher end CPUs well (less without the GPU, though). Stick to midrange options like the i5 or the temps often skyrocket.
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* For Intel systems, the gains are better but you have to be coming from something very low end like a B950 to a 2450M to make this project worthwhile ($15-20 for a used 2450M). '''You run into similar issues when you move up the i3 on the Intel side as you do with AMD (+864 points with the i3-2350M>i5-2450M).''' I would only do an i3>i5 swap if I had a compatible CPU and it cost me nothing personally with such close margins. Sub 1,000+ gains aren’t worth the effort required.
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* On the AMD side, the margins are low even when I assume the system shipped with a Turion II P560. '''You’d need to max this out with the N970 for it to be worthwhile with AMD boards. You only gain +829 CPU points. That’s a rounding error for the time required to get it.'''
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* Some CPUs cost about as much as a upgraded computer on the secondary market, without Covid-19 affecting availability.
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** This is HP specific, but they also tend to have problems cooling higher end CPUs well (less without the GPU, though). Stick to midrange options like the i5 or the temps often skyrocket.
* '''Soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.'''
Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap.
The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N870). The problem with doing this is two fold - you are usually not gaining enough to justify the time and monetary investment often required. In addition, some CPUs cost about as much as a upgraded computer on the secondary market*. The other issue (which is HP specific) is many of these older DV series machines have subpar cooling with a dGPU so you end up with a system that runs much hotter, but you said you have the UMA variant which have fewer cooling issues then GPU equipped ones. '''Soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.'''
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The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N970). There are multiple problems I see on the value side:
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*In a non Covid-19 shortage affected market.
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* For Intel systems, the gains are better but you have to be coming from something very low end like a B950 to a 2450M to make this project worthwhile ($15-20 for a used CPU). You run into similar issues when you move up the i3 on the Intel side as you do with AMD (+864 points with the i3-2350M). I would only do an i3>i5 swap if I had a compatible CPU and it cost me nothing personally with such close margins.
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* On the AMD side, the margins are low even when I assume the lowest end CPU is installed (Turion II P560). You’d need to max this out with the N970 and even then you only gain +829 CPU points compared to the worst case CPU vs +1,227 coming from a B950>i5-2520M.
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* Some CPUs cost about as much as a upgraded computer on the secondary market, without Covid-19 affecting availability. This is HP specific, but they also tend to have problems cooling higher end CPUs well (less without the GPU, though). Stick to midrange options like the i5 or the temps often skyrocket.
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* '''Soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.'''
Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap.
The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N870). The problem with doing this in many HP systems is they tend to have underwhelming cooling, so you usually notice a spike in temperature, but this tends to be more of an issue with the discrete GPU systems then the onboard video setups. The soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.
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The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N870). The problem with doing this is two fold - you are usually not gaining enough to justify the time and monetary investment often required. In addition, some CPUs cost about as much as a upgraded computer on the secondary market*. The other issue (which is HP specific) is many of these older DV series machines have subpar cooling with a dGPU so you end up with a system that runs much hotter, but you said you have the UMA variant which have fewer cooling issues then GPU equipped ones. '''Soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.'''
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*In a non Covid-19 shortage affected market.
Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap.
The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N870). The problem with doing this in many HP systems is they tend to have underwhelming cooling, so you usually notice a spike in temperature, but this tends to be more of an issue with the discrete GPU systems then the onboard video setups. The soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.
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The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end one (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N870). The problem with doing this in many HP systems is they tend to have underwhelming cooling, so you usually notice a spike in temperature, but this tends to be more of an issue with the discrete GPU systems then the onboard video setups. The soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.
Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap.
The problem with CPU upgrades is it can’t be done if the CPU is socketed - the problem is time investment vs. performance gain unless you’re going from a low end entry level CPU to a solid midrange or high end (Ex: Pentium B950>i5-2450M/Turion II P560>Phenom II N870). The problem with doing this in many HP systems is they tend to have underwhelming cooling, so you usually notice a spike in temperature, but this tends to be more of an issue with the discrete GPU systems then the onboard video setups. The soldered CPUs really took off with Broadwell on Intel and later AMD A Series APUs once they retired the Turion and Phenom series, so you’re not affected until you step up to a system from 2013 on the Intel side - timing on AMD is similar.
Yes it can be done since this is just old enough to be safe from the soldered CPU issues we’ve seen since Broadwell on the Intel side (similar timing for AMD), but unless you’re dealing with a low end CPU now and get a good deal on a used Core i5 or AMD equivalent, it’s usually not worth bothering due to the cost to do the swap.